6 comments:

Anonymous said...

I honestly thought Esposito was going to get destroyed being that he doesn't have an extensive formal debating history and Carrier is no idiot. To my mind, Esposito did really well and arguably won by a hair. Funny, though, how Esposito's style and strategies were much like Bill Craig's! The influence that man has had on us all : )

Jonathan

Thanks for the link, Brian!

Thursday, June 21, 2012 at 8:29:00 PM GMT+1

Anonymous said...

Why is the audio all hacked up?

Friday, June 22, 2012 at 9:56:00 PM GMT+1

Brian Auten said...

What do you mean about the audio?

Saturday, June 23, 2012 at 10:01:00 AM GMT+1

Anonymous said...

This is actually one of my favorite points to make:
According to their arguments, the multi-verse (other universes with different dimensions and rules for their own sciences determined by the specific amount of dark energy present) DOES exist. Why then, if we believe that there are realms beyond our science, our understanding and our rules physics, is it that this means that there is no God? If he does exist, he would be exactly that- beyond the understanding of our science. Science is a facet of his imagination, not the other way around.

Tuesday, June 26, 2012 at 3:32:00 PM GMT+1

Ash said...

Re: Anonymous

That there are "realms beyond our science, our understanding and our rules [of] physics" does not mean that there is no God. It also doesn't mean that there is a God.

As an atheist, I am very open to the idea of such realms. I would be fascinated to know of their existence, to study them, to ponder their genesis. This is the stuff that makes science fiction so appealing to many.

But none of this means that I have to make assumptions about any reality which go beyond what I can logically, and honestly, assume. I do not believe in God because I have not seen any convincing evidence - it's as simple as that. I am under no allegiance to any dogma, and I can be convinced otherwise at any time.

And even if I were to grant you that multi-verses imply the existence of a God, we've arrived at deism. You still need to take me from the creator of quantum mechanics, the fabric of space and time, stars, galaxies, universes, multi-universes...to the virgin birth.

Tuesday, June 26, 2012 at 4:33:00 PM GMT+1

Darian Medeiros said...

"That there are "realms beyond our science, our understanding and our rules [of] physics" does not mean that there is no God. It also doesn't mean that there is a God."

You're right, but try thinking of an immaterial something outside space time that can cause something? WLC "mind" hypothesis is the most plausible. We can only make predictions to the limits of our knowledge, even if he's wrong its still the most plausible.

Can you think of an immaterial cause other than a mind? My mind is not material, even if you are materialist you cannot say that your mind is material. The fact that I can will my arm move shows me that the immaterial can cause material objects to do things.

Sunday, March 10, 2013 at 6:27:00 PM GMT